On 3/23/2016 3:53 AM, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
> On 23/03/2016 10:51, Bruno Medeiros wrote:
>> OMG, this irrelevant, flamebait thread.
>>
>> One thing I like with Rust is that they have a modern forum software
>> (discourse.org) for their community forums, in particular one that
>> requires registration and an associated email (unlike newsgroups where
>> anyone can post and emails can be spoofed easily). Even though this
>> registration is easy, this seems to deter a lot of these random,
>> anonymous, quasi-troll accounts with not much to say. (I'm not talking
>> about karabuta specifically but other posters in general, in this thread
>> and other threads)
>>
>
> Ugh, I'm getting quite used to being able to correct spelling errors in my posts
> too, and I can't do it with the newsgroups.

No spelling checker seems to deter a lot of these random, anonymous, poor spellers :-)


> Newsgroups are like the C++ of forum technology...

Don't conflate the NNTP protocol with the shortcomings of whatever newsreader you're using. Mine, for example, does spell checking. (Thunderbird FWIW)

On Wednesday, 23 March 2016 at 22:26:15 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:

>> Newsgroups are like the C++ of forum technology...
>
> Don't conflate the NNTP protocol with the shortcomings of whatever newsreader you're using. Mine, for example, does spell checking. (Thunderbird FWIW)

Spell checkers don't catch everything. If they did, there would have been many fewer edits to make in my manuscript for Learning D. They can't catch phrases that are worded ambiguously, or that come off in a way they weren't intended. They can't sentences that are incorrect, but that you didn't realize until after you posted. And so on. Every time I find I've made a mistake in something I post in these forums, I have to make a new post to correct it. And I'm not the only one. Just look how often people reply to themselves with a sed command.

NNTP is a dinosaur. Modern forum software offers so many features that people take for granted now. I fully understand why people find it annoying that those features aren't available here. A few years back, there were a couple of threads suggesting a move to a real web forum and I know where you stand on the issue. But as the community grows, it's absolutely going to become a necessity to make the transition at some point. I would even argue that continuing to rely on NNTP as the backend may actually hinder forum participation because people just aren't used to it. The web interface presents a web forum, which it totally is not in modern terms.

I spent a lot of time in my newsreader through the 90s, but that was then. Let's move into the 21st century already!

On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 03:43:04 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:

> They can't sentences that are incorrect, but that you didn't

And here's an example of what I'm talking about. On this forum, I would normally just let it go, but on a modern forum I can edit my post.

On Wednesday, 23 March 2016 at 10:46:22 UTC, QAston wrote:
> I could point to the building you're sitting in. Most likely made almost exclusively by males.

LOL. I happened to spend most the day today with a group of women... building something. (I was there too, of course, but I'm practically one of the sisters myself and they all did more work than me anyway. The other five are all non-controversially women.)

I read this message out loud to them. We all got a good laugh.

Y'all should stick to arguing about the color of the bikeshed.

On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 03:43:04 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
> Spell checkers don't catch everything. If they did, there would have been many fewer edits to make in my manuscript for Learning D. They can't catch phrases that are worded ambiguously, or that come off in a way they weren't intended. They can't sentences that are incorrect, but that you didn't realize until after you posted. And so on. Every time I find I've made a mistake in something I post in these forums, I have to make a new post to correct it. And I'm not the only one. Just look how often people reply to themselves with a sed command.

Do you also not use email, then?

On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 04:19:06 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
> On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 03:43:04 UTC, Mike Parker wrote:
>> Spell checkers don't catch everything. If they did, there would have been many fewer edits to make in my manuscript for Learning D. They can't catch phrases that are worded ambiguously, or that come off in a way they weren't intended. They can't sentences that are incorrect, but that you didn't realize until after you posted. And so on. Every time I find I've made a mistake in something I post in these forums, I have to make a new post to correct it. And I'm not the only one. Just look how often people reply to themselves with a sed command.
>
> Do you also not use email, then?

My emails aren't generally available for public consumption.

On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 04:05:53 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 March 2016 at 10:46:22 UTC, QAston wrote:
>> I could point to the building you're sitting in. Most likely made almost exclusively by males.
>
> LOL. I happened to spend most the day today with a group of women... building something. (I was there too, of course, but I'm practically one of the sisters myself and they all did more work than me anyway. The other five are all non-controversially women.)
>
> I read this message out loud to them. We all got a good laugh.
>
> Y'all should stick to arguing about the color of the bikeshed.

Point taken :D

On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 04:05:53 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> On Wednesday, 23 March 2016 at 10:46:22 UTC, QAston wrote:
>> I could point to the building you're sitting in. Most likely made almost exclusively by males.
>
> LOL. I happened to spend most the day today with a group of women... building something. (I was there too, of course, but I'm practically one of the sisters myself and they all did more work than me anyway. The other five are all non-controversially women.)
>
> I read this message out loud to them. We all got a good laugh.
>
> Y'all should stick to arguing about the color of the bikeshed.

"Most likely"

According to the bureau of labor statistics, 9.3% of people working in construction were women. That definitively fit in the most likely category to me.

I'm not sure what you were laughing at ? Come on Adam, I know from previous interactions we had that you are way smarter than this.

On 3/23/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Parker wrote:
> NNTP is a dinosaur.

Vladimir's D forum software.

It doesn't allow editing of posts already made, but it is otherwise much much better than endless other "modern" forum software I've had the misfortune to use.

On Thursday, 24 March 2016 at 07:54:10 UTC, Walter Bright wrote:
> On 3/23/2016 8:43 PM, Mike Parker wrote:
>> NNTP is a dinosaur.
>
> Vladimir's D forum software.
>
> It doesn't allow editing of posts already made, but it is otherwise much much better than endless other "modern" forum software I've had the misfortune to use.

BTW, there is no problem with adding the ability to edit posts, except that the edits will of course only be visible to forum users, and not NNTP or mailing list.