On Friday, 25 March 2016 at 10:09:36 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> Well, online one can engineer societies, if one are willing to spend the investments, but men are not the problem. Women are just as dysfunctional as men are, and both men and women experience gender-related discrimination in different fields (custody cases come to mind).

Totally agreed.

> I'll even say that the in-your-face bluntness-agression is preferably to silent aggression/freezing out, because bluntness can be addressed and corrected more easily. Hopefully we don't have a big freezing out problem (but how can you tell?). We do have the occasional bluntness problem.

Shit happens, ability to deal with it is important so IMO it's not a problem.

> But let me ask you this question instead: would you expect the average man to feel inclined to join an all-female online community? I wouldn't. Just turn the gender around and ask the same question again: would you expect the average woman to feel inclined to join an all-male online community?
>
> Clearly, you need to think about how you grow your online community if you want to create openings either way.

Well, I don't have to speculate about that because I've seen communities specifically declared as male/female in their name and every one of them included people of both genders.

I personally wouldn't join a community which was solely defined as a space for the other sex - but that's because I wouldn't find things of interest to me. But that's not the case for programming forums. We are here because we use the programming language, gender is just incidental.

On Friday, 25 March 2016 at 10:22:55 UTC, QAston wrote:
>I don't think they need strong  male protective arm to handle internet.

I'm not really sure why I respond to this BUT YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT to a level where I'm at loss of words. Which is really really hard to do. ;^)

Women do not loose out by not studying Comp. Sci. IT IS THE OPPOSITE. Comp. Sci. loose out by not having the best qualified students from both genders.

Women do not loose out by not participating in the D community. IT IS OPPOSITE. The D community loose out by having a tone that are off-putting to some women and even more men (due to the fact that there are far more male system level programmers than women). Yes, D has lost users thanks to this attitude. And people have accounted for it.

So, if you want to stay small. Great. This is the way to go.

All socities are engineered at some level. That you guys think the Jews are relevant is appalling! You don't get the difference between EUGENICS and CULTURE? WTF?

No wonder Donald Trump is having blaze! :-)

On Friday, 25 March 2016 at 10:25:50 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> On Friday, 25 March 2016 at 10:22:55 UTC, QAston wrote:
>> adults. According to Ola women are better collaborators.
>
> I've never said that. And that is not true as a general statement.

You sort of did here.

> Anyway, there are positive qualities to both the more cooperative female side (information sharing) and the more competitive male side (debating) of interaction within a group. We all have both aspects, of course, and for progress we need a mix.

You know. Communication. Forums. :P

Please, no politics here. Take it to https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/

On Friday, 25 March 2016 at 10:38:56 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote:
> I'm not really sure why I respond to this BUT YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT to a level where I'm at loss of words. Which is really really hard to do. ;^)
>
[...]
>
> All socities are engineered at some level. That you guys think the Jews are relevant is appalling! You don't get the difference between EUGENICS and CULTURE? WTF?
>
> No wonder Donald Trump is having blaze! :-)

Well I can agree that Trump is like Hitler (and nazis, and fascists, and eugenics, and communists, and jews) at least in one specific aspect - references to him on a unrelated topic should end the discussion.

> Women do not loose out by not studying Comp. Sci. IT IS THE OPPOSITE. Comp. Sci. loose out by not having the best qualified students from both genders.
>
> Women do not loose out by not participating in the D community. IT IS OPPOSITE. The D community loose out by having a tone that are off-putting to some women and even more men (due to the fact that there are far more male system level programmers than women). Yes, D has lost users thanks to this attitude. And people have accounted for it.
>
> So, if you want to stay small. Great. This is the way to go.

In my opinion D didn't gain as much traction because it's mismarketed. It's marketed as a systems programming language while it doesn't have advantages compared to the other system languages - it's more problematic in cases where people need the system level programming language, especially the fact that it's heap-happy. It should be marketed as a domain programming language because it has more advantages compared to other domain programming languages (c#, java, go, python).

Making community more accessible is obviously desired. And I agree with what you've just written - accessible for both men and women. So it's not a gender issue. Policies applied need to be neutral to not create resentment.

On Friday, 25 March 2016 at 04:12:10 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 03/25/2016 12:08 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote:
>> Added to my list.
>
> Also: syntax coloring for D code. It would be rad. -- Andrei

Yeeeeeh! ;-P

/P

Bruno Medeiros <bruno.do.medeiros+dng@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 24/03/2016 09:16, Walter Bright wrote:
>> We're doing just fine with NNTP and Vladimir's forum software.
> 
> And this is one of the reasons why I've essentially moved from D to Rust. Yes, the forum software.

It's the exact opposite for me. I like Rust the language better than D but the forum is much easier to follow than Discourse.

Discourse is using far to much resources/bandwidth. It's a PITA on my
(quite old) phone.
For the D forum I've a nice NNTP client that works like a charm.

Tobi

On 03/17/2016 01:02 PM, ag0aep6g wrote:
>
> I can't be the only one who is irritated by this use of the word
> "female". Why do you avoid "woman"?

"Woman" excludes non-adults. Non-adult, like I was when I started with code.

That's the problem with PC nitpicking, it never ends.

> "A female" sounds like you're
> talking about an animal.

Not to a native english speaker.

On 03/17/2016 01:42 PM, John Colvin wrote:
>
> P.S. what's with calling women "females", is it an americanism? It
> sounds super weird to a British ear, we'd normally only say "female" in
> a technical setting or about an animal, so it can sound a bit
> disrespectful.

I don't know about over there, but in the US political correctness issues get everyone whipped into a hysterical frenzy, so words like "male"/"female" are an (obviously failed, by the sound of it) attempt to sidestep all that "hurt feelings" bullshit by using terms that (we would think) couldn't possibly be construed as slurs.

If someone can't even freaking figure out WHY they find a word offensive, they have no damn business squaking about it allegedly being offensive. For fuck's sake, people.

On 25/03/2016 04:09, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
> On 03/24/2016 03:59 PM, Walter Bright wrote:
>> Having public display of the edit history defeats the purpose of being
>> able to edit it.
>

Discourse also supports properly deleting posts. Although it usually requires admin approval, and is usually reserved for spam, disturbing content, duplicated posts, stuff like that. It's not meant for retracting comments the poster simply later regrets.

> That's not right. You can't change history, otherwise the threading of
> discussion will be impossible to follow. Look at how Facebook does it.
> -- Andrei
>

Agreed. Furthermore on an ethical note I don't think people should delete comments they later regret. If one does a stupid or rude post, they should pay the price for being stupid or rude. If they regret it, and want to apologize for it, or otherwise retract some comments, that's fine: apologize or retract your comments *in a follow-up post*. But don't delete the original post, not only it can be confusing for people following that, I think it's cowardly too.

-- 
Bruno Medeiros
https://twitter.com/brunodomedeiros