On Thursday, 17 March 2016 at 16:33:45 UTC, DennisQuaid wrote:
> Here's about "Compilers/Programming Language" so most people here are bearded guys.

Actually this extreme gender imbalance is something that struct me ever since I started watching the DConf videos and following these forums. Is it the same in other comparable communities? Or is there perhaps something about the D language or its community that contributes to the extreme gender imbalance? (Competitiveness and occasional aggressivity in these forums, for example?)

On Thursday, 17 March 2016 at 16:17:46 UTC, Karabuta wrote:
> Are there any female programmers using D? :)
> Moreover, the socia Media representation of D sucks. I think we need a female, at least someone soft and mortal who actually understand how to communicate and build a community. Coders suck at these things and its not helping. This is not about gender balance crap, it about building a community.
>
> Forgive me for my brutal opinion.
>
> Destroy :)

I.. what? I'm sure there are female programming at least experimenting with D. I would agree that the social media side of D suffers from no focused individual assuming the role, but gender is irrelevant there. Andrei does a great job at outreach for those already in the tech industry, but I would agree that Go (through its adoption of the Gopher) does well to engage a more broad community, encouraging more people to give Go a try and incorporating a younger audience much like Python does with their imagery.

On Thursday, 17 March 2016 at 18:06:32 UTC, Gerald Jansen wrote:
> On Thursday, 17 March 2016 at 16:33:45 UTC, DennisQuaid wrote:
>> Here's about "Compilers/Programming Language" so most people here are bearded guys.
>
> Actually this extreme gender imbalance is something that struct me ever since I started watching the DConf videos and following these forums. Is it the same in other comparable communities? Or is there perhaps something about the D language or its community that contributes to the extreme gender imbalance? (Competitiveness and occasional aggressivity in these forums, for example?)

Look at pretty much any technical conference or open source community. The vast majority of those involved will be men. There are definitely women programmers out there, and some among them do get involved in communities like this, but in general, for whatever reason, the vast majority of programmers are men, and that's what you're naturally going to see in communities like this. But if women want to be involved, there's nothing stopping them, and it's not like we ask about gender here, so a number of the posters could be women without you even knowing it. And a woman _did_ speak at dconf 2013 - Maxime Chevalier-Boisvert - and she's occasionally posted in the newsgroup. So, they do exist here.

http://dconf.org/2013/talks/chevalier_boisvert.html

In general though, I don't think that there's any reason to care about what gender people are here. Your gender has nothing to do with your skill or knowledge level as a programmer and really shouldn't have any impact on the discussions here.

- Jonathan M Davis

On Thursday, 17 March 2016 at 16:55:29 UTC, Jack Stouffer wrote:
> That's a lot of stereotypes of both men and women, especially male coders. I don't appreciate the implication that women would be better than me at communicating because I'm a guy. And I'm sure women don't appreciate being called "soft" and "moral".
>
> Let's drop this whole discussion before it gets embarrassing for everyone.

Agreed. We don't ask posters what their gender is, and we really don't care. We're here to discuss programming and D, not social issues. What are we going to talk about next? How we don't have enough of some particular religious group here? It doesn't matter. Anyone who wants to discuss D and programming and is willing to be civil about it is welcome to post here. Stuff like gender really doesn't matter.

And I probably should have just ignored this thread entirely, since I have far better things to be doing than discuss irrelevant stuff like whether any of the posters here are women are not. We _all_ have better things to be doing than that.

- Jonathan M Davis

On 03/17/2016 09:17 AM, Karabuta wrote:
> Are there any female programmers using D? :)

StackOverflow has just published their developer survey. There are close to 6% female coders who answered their survey:


http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#developer-profile-gender

That link somewhat answers the "woman" versus "female" use as well (they use "female").

"Female" does not sound that bad to my American-English-tainted Turkish ears but something related has been happening in Turkey: Somehow the society decided that "kadın", the equivalent of "woman" was impolite and started using "bayan", almost the equivalent of "lady". Imagine suddenly starting to hear things like "lady scientist" instead "woman scientist"... We humans are crazy. At least some of us use D. :p

Ali

On 17.03.2016 19:57, Ali Çehreli wrote:
> http://stackoverflow.com/research/developer-survey-2016#developer-profile-gender
>
>
> That link somewhat answers the "woman" versus "female" use as well (they
> use "female").

They don't use "female" as a noun, though. Search for "women" on that page, and replace it with "females". Then you have the weird, zoological sounding usage.

It is very clear from the 'net that some communities welcome woman, and some actively hate them, some ignore them.

I personally would feel reluctant to get involved in anything where there was a high probability of vitriolic rejection. (Yes, sadly, some 'net communities have, unfortunately, gone to very extreme lengths in their rejection.)

Part me says ignore them, gender has nothing to do with programming.

Part of me observes we are human first, programmers second, and human groups with a healthy gender mix are simpler more pleasant and functional places.

Certainly Python has done well to actively welcome them, and I would suggest we do the same.

So a simple statement of welcome and some level of outreach would go a long way.

https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/

On Thursday, 17 March 2016 at 20:03:08 UTC, John Carter wrote:
> It is very clear from the 'net that some communities welcome woman, and some actively hate them, some ignore them.
>
> I personally would feel reluctant to get involved in anything where there was a high probability of vitriolic rejection. (Yes, sadly, some 'net communities have, unfortunately, gone to very extreme lengths in their rejection.)
>
> Part me says ignore them, gender has nothing to do with programming.
>
> Part of me observes we are human first, programmers second, and human groups with a healthy gender mix are simpler more pleasant and functional places.
>
> Certainly Python has done well to actively welcome them, and I would suggest we do the same.
>
> So a simple statement of welcome and some level of outreach would go a long way.
>
> https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/

>Currently, internships are open >internationally to women (cis and trans), >trans men, and genderqueer people. >Additionally, they are open to residents >and nationals of the United States of any >gender who are Black/African American, >Hispanic/Latin@, American Indian, Alaska >Native, Native Hawaiian, or Pacific 
>>Islander. We are planning to expand the >program to more 
>participants from >underrepresented backgrounds in the >future.

I, I mean, I just really CAN'T take you seriously, when you link shit like that.

I mean, sure, groups with a better balance of women and men tend to fare better, but thing is, we don't really care about the gender of someone, whom we aren't with physically. We just don't. The only moment, where members of the D community meet each other, is at DConf, and we aren't holding DConf every single day of the year.

And the thing which you've linked to, that (absolutely horrendous) outreachy thing, is something I'd rather actually not see, if I was a women: I wouldn't fucking want to join a community, who presents a text like that to my face. What the _fuck_ is shit like "cis" and "genderqueer" supposed to mean? When I see a text like that, all I think is that the community surrounding this language (or software or I don't know whhat) is instead of focusing on improving the language, focusing om fixing social pseudo-problems. This is a huuuuuge turn-off for me.

Just, please, don't.

On Thursday, 17 March 2016 at 21:42:55 UTC, Lass Safin wrote:

> And the thing which you've linked to, that (absolutely horrendous) outreachy thing,

Relax.

If you don't like that example, grab another. Pyladies whatever. Not the point.

The point is make people know they're welcome and they contribute.

Make them doubt their welcome, they go where ever there is evidence that they might be.

Simple.

Human.

On Thursday, 17 March 2016 at 20:03:08 UTC, John Carter wrote:
> It is very clear from the 'net that some communities welcome woman, and some actively hate them, some ignore them.
>
> I personally would feel reluctant to get involved in anything where there was a high probability of vitriolic rejection. (Yes, sadly, some 'net communities have, unfortunately, gone to very extreme lengths in their rejection.)

I don't get this at all?  I've been coming to this site for years and I don't recall any "vitriolic rejections" of either men or women. I can't think of a more egalitarian community than what I've experienced here.  I find this to be one of the most cordial and helpful sites I have ever had the pleasure of visiting.

> Part me says ignore them, gender has nothing to do with programming.

Who here has ever argued otherwise?

>
> Part of me observes we are human first, programmers second, and human groups with a healthy gender mix are simpler more pleasant and functional places.

Again, I doubt if anybody here disagrees with this statement.

>
> Certainly Python has done well to actively welcome them, and I would suggest we do the same.

How is D not welcoming "them".  We welcome anybody who is interested in D.

>
> So a simple statement of welcome and some level of outreach would go a long way.
>
> https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/

Google, Intel, HP, Bloomberg, etc are sponsoring this outreach. D does not have any such luxury.

Listen, I would love that more women were interested in programming languages. I've seen many good women programmers (my wife was one) but it is usually for a paid job.  I doubt you'll find many women who program out of the sheer pleasure of it, or who will spend their free time holed up in front of a workstation figuring out the inner working of mixins or traits.

But don't feel too bad. Females vastly outnumber men in the veterinary and biology fields. I don't see their web sites going out of their way to "welcome" me.